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Hi folks - newbie here, looking for some advice
« on: June 23, 2013, 09:43:40 AM »
Hello all

Just joined the forum to get some perspective on getting into music production. It's something I've always fancied having a go at, and I'm just looking for some advice on what I need to be looking at in terms of equipment needed and if there's anything in particular that I should be looking to learn about.

In terms of equipment, I've not really set a budget as such. At this early stage I don't want to be spending huge amounts but doing some very brief investigation, was thinking of starting with a midi controller (maybe the M-Audio Keystation 88es?) and a reasonably cheap DAW (like Reaper). I like the look of Ableton Live but again, at this point don't really want to be laying out that kind of money. Is there anything else it would be useful to purchase? I was thinking something like this (http://2infamouz.com/presonus-audiobox-bundle-review/) as a start for being able to record from a mic / instrument.

In terms of learning, how critical is it to be able to read and understand musical scores / notes? Is there any theory / guidance literature worth looking at?

Ideally, I'd like to be able to produce dance / disco music, and maybe be able to cut existing track / remix etc. I'd also like to be able to sample and manipulate (maybe filter vocals from a song etc).

Some of this may not be realistic on a low budget but hence me posting here (as I've no idea!!).

Any feedback would be really appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Hi folks - newbie here, looking for some advice
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2013, 06:57:36 AM »
Hey Park Bear, welcome to Record and Produce.

Getting started in recording / experimenting with audio manipulation can be surprisingly affordable. I wouldn't be too concerned with getting great gear before you know how to use it, as the real factor in good music is the person creating it. Reaper seems to have quite a big fan base due to it's affordability and functionality. If you were to purchase that bundle from PreSonus I believe it still comes with the artist version of PreSonus StudioOne DAW, which would be a good starting point to get familiar with recording/editing sound, etc.

In regards to learning to read music, I honestly still am not good at reading music. I learned to play by ear and it seems to work better for me than tediously practicing sheet music. Some of the basic concepts of music theory will definitely improve your production, but it's not necessarily a requirement to get started. I'd say at a minimum you'd want to understand intervals, scales, chords and some concepts behind melody composition as well as chord progressions / harmony.

The M-Audio keystation is also a good buy, I actually still use mine frequently.

In terms of a guidance and literature, my biggest recommendation would be other music production forums like illmuzik.com and YouTube tutorials. You'd be amazed at how informative some youtube guides are, although you should always take it with a "grain of salt" so to speak...

Any other questions feel free to contact me or post them here on the forum.

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Re: Hi folks - newbie here, looking for some advice
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2013, 12:27:20 PM »
Thanks for the response Ayron.. just one question about the M-Audio Keystation, I was going to buy the 88 key version, but is this necessary? I see there's a 61 key version also and wondered how much I'd actually miss the extra keys if I opted for the latter?


Hey Park Bear, welcome to Record and Produce.

Getting started in recording / experimenting with audio manipulation can be surprisingly affordable. I wouldn't be too concerned with getting great gear before you know how to use it, as the real factor in good music is the person creating it. Reaper seems to have quite a big fan base due to it's affordability and functionality. If you were to purchase that bundle from PreSonus I believe it still comes with the artist version of PreSonus StudioOne DAW, which would be a good starting point to get familiar with recording/editing sound, etc.

In regards to learning to read music, I honestly still am not good at reading music. I learned to play by ear and it seems to work better for me than tediously practicing sheet music. Some of the basic concepts of music theory will definitely improve your production, but it's not necessarily a requirement to get started. I'd say at a minimum you'd want to understand intervals, scales, chords and some concepts behind melody composition as well as chord progressions / harmony.

The M-Audio keystation is also a good buy, I actually still use mine frequently.

In terms of a guidance and literature, my biggest recommendation would be other music production forums like illmuzik.com and YouTube tutorials. You'd be amazed at how informative some youtube guides are, although you should always take it with a "grain of salt" so to speak...

Any other questions feel free to contact me or post them here on the forum.

-Ayron

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Re: Hi folks - newbie here, looking for some advice
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 06:09:56 PM »
Hello all

Just joined the forum to get some perspective on getting into music production. It's something I've always fancied having a go at, and I'm just looking for some advice on what I need to be looking at in terms of equipment needed and if there's anything in particular that I should be looking to learn about.

In terms of equipment, I've not really set a budget as such. At this early stage I don't want to be spending huge amounts but doing some very brief investigation, was thinking of starting with a midi controller (maybe the M-Audio Keystation 88es?) and a reasonably cheap DAW (like Reaper). I like the look of Ableton Live but again, at this point don't really want to be laying out that kind of money. Is there anything else it would be useful to purchase? I was thinking something like this (http://2infamouz.com/presonus-audiobox-bundle-review/) as a start for being able to record from a mic / instrument.

In terms of learning, how critical is it to be able to read and understand musical scores / notes? Is there any theory / guidance literature worth looking at?

Ideally, I'd like to be able to produce dance / disco music, and maybe be able to cut existing track / remix etc. I'd also like to be able to sample and manipulate (maybe filter vocals from a song etc).

Some of this may not be realistic on a low budget but hence me posting here (as I've no idea!!).

Any feedback would be really appreciated.

Thanks

Honestly I started out with a 61-key midi controller and didn't find a need for anything more for several years...

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Re: Hi folks - newbie here, looking for some advice
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 03:49:02 PM »
Thanks again Ayron. I'll be honest I've changed my mind that much on what I should invest in over the last week it's almost been exasperating.

I'm now thinking I want to spend a bit more on a DAW and controller / interface  :D (this may change again) but I don't want to feel disappointed by buying a cheaper alternative.

I'm now thinking about the following: -

FL Studio Signature Edition
AKAI Akai EIE Pro USB 2.0 Audio Interface Expander
M-Audio Axiom 49 - Compact Mobile Controller / USB MIDI
Numark HF125 Headphones

What are your thoughts on FL Studio? Would it be worthwhile to spend that bit more? I've read a lot on your site and others which point out that there's not a 'best' DAW as such, and that it comes down to personal preference at the end of the day? However, with little experience and not a particularly great understanding of the features / terminology banded about, it's difficult to make an informed decision.

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Re: Hi folks - newbie here, looking for some advice
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 07:15:10 AM »
Thanks again Ayron. I'll be honest I've changed my mind that much on what I should invest in over the last week it's almost been exasperating.

I'm now thinking I want to spend a bit more on a DAW and controller / interface  :D (this may change again) but I don't want to feel disappointed by buying a cheaper alternative.

I'm now thinking about the following: -

FL Studio Signature Edition
AKAI Akai EIE Pro USB 2.0 Audio Interface Expander
M-Audio Axiom 49 - Compact Mobile Controller / USB MIDI
Numark HF125 Headphones

What are your thoughts on FL Studio? Would it be worthwhile to spend that bit more? I've read a lot on your site and others which point out that there's not a 'best' DAW as such, and that it comes down to personal preference at the end of the day? However, with little experience and not a particularly great understanding of the features / terminology banded about, it's difficult to make an informed decision.


Well first off I'm glad to see your taking some time before making a decision. I jumped right in and bought things without doing my research when I first got into music production, and ended up with lots of things that I didn't need.
It's true that at this point most of the DAW's are capable of doing whatever you'd like them to, but of course there's personal preference and certain ones work better for certain people. If you can, get a hold of some demo versions of different DAWs and test them out to see how you personally feel about them. FL is very user friendly and one of my favorites in terms of functionality - I actually work much faster in FL than other DAWs - but there are percs about each different one, mainly how they look, how easy they are to operate, what stock plugins and samples are included, and what plugin formats they support.

It looks like you've got a pretty good line up to get started - FL, the Akai EIE, HF125's and an Axiom 49 - I don't think you'd regret these purchases, especially the Midi controller. I've had my Axiom for a loooong time and it still gets used quite frequently.