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Opinion on Ableton Live?
« on: April 11, 2013, 02:39:26 PM »
So I'm wondering what is your opinion of Ableton Live? I haven't really used it much yet and I think the main interface is not as good as FL Studio, it's just a little harder to work out I think...but getting there. I am still getting used to it, but so far I've found that I can create more lively sounding beats. I'll still stick to FL though in the meantime.

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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 05:21:10 PM »
Personally I haven't become real accustom to Ableton. I've used it several times to collab with other producers, but I'm a lot more efficient in Reason and FL. Ableton is staying intuitive and adding some really good features with every new version, not to mention the Push Controller they just released, but it's still not my DAW of choice. When it comes down to it all DAW's are just a means to an end and I'm sure if I had put as much time into learning AL as I have Reason then I'd like it just as much.

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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2013, 08:15:55 AM »
Well,

To give you my opinion, we should start in the past.

My first approach to digital music production was with a tracker, back in 1993/4... called ModEdit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modedit

It was a 4-channel sampler. So I had synths and drums and some fx. Such a wonderful little thing. I probably have a 5.25" diskette somewhere with my young-age creations (I was 11/12 around that time, 31 now).

Then I started playing the guitar, so from ages 14 to 17 no digital music, but I would occasionally record something and edit it with CoolEdit and then of course Audacity(r), the wonderful free/libre multitrack sound editor.

Around 1998 I came across fruityloops, and for the life of me I never fully grasped it. Something about "hi-tech but fashion" looking GUIs did not agree with me :P

So, well, I had many bands, used to sing and play the guitar, some bass/drums from time to time, so, still, no digital music, except when recording in studio, or editing at home, etc.

And one day a friend of mine suggested Ableton Live, 2+ years ago, and I started the NO CARRIER project. Currently I have 120+ origial mixes online on soundcloud.com/no-carrier and some extra stuff only in grooveshark.com/no-carrier

As you can see, Ableton Live not only fulfilled my technical and aesthetic needs, but it also helped me a lot with the creation process. I can arrive anywhere only with my laptop, and an mpk mini if you want, and improvise anything, starting with an empty set. That's lots of power for a musician.

So, yes, Ableton Live 8 had some limitations, but it was still WAY AHEAD of any other thing I ever tried (including Reason. I don't like that click-here-to-see-my-patchbox thing. Too... flashy).

Then Ableton Live 9 came along. And I absolutely adore it. I still don't like the fact that you can't automate the transpose knob on an audio clip (although you can link it to a controller, and record changes to arrangement, etc), but it has improved on every other limitation I found.

So, yes, I have a high opinion of Ableton Live.

If you want me/the rest of the users to comment on specific areas of ableton live, just let us know.

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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 06:30:06 PM »
Well,

To give you my opinion, we should start in the past.

My first approach to digital music production was with a tracker, back in 1993/4... called ModEdit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modedit

It was a 4-channel sampler. So I had synths and drums and some fx. Such a wonderful little thing. I probably have a 5.25" diskette somewhere with my young-age creations (I was 11/12 around that time, 31 now).

Then I started playing the guitar, so from ages 14 to 17 no digital music, but I would occasionally record something and edit it with CoolEdit and then of course Audacity(r), the wonderful free/libre multitrack sound editor.

Around 1998 I came across fruityloops, and for the life of me I never fully grasped it. Something about "hi-tech but fashion" looking GUIs did not agree with me :P

So, well, I had many bands, used to sing and play the guitar, some bass/drums from time to time, so, still, no digital music, except when recording in studio, or editing at home, etc.

And one day a friend of mine suggested Ableton Live, 2+ years ago, and I started the NO CARRIER project. Currently I have 120+ origial mixes online on soundcloud.com/no-carrier and some extra stuff only in grooveshark.com/no-carrier

As you can see, Ableton Live not only fulfilled my technical and aesthetic needs, but it also helped me a lot with the creation process. I can arrive anywhere only with my laptop, and an mpk mini if you want, and improvise anything, starting with an empty set. That's lots of power for a musician.

So, yes, Ableton Live 8 had some limitations, but it was still WAY AHEAD of any other thing I ever tried (including Reason. I don't like that click-here-to-see-my-patchbox thing. Too... flashy).

Then Ableton Live 9 came along. And I absolutely adore it. I still don't like the fact that you can't automate the transpose knob on an audio clip (although you can link it to a controller, and record changes to arrangement, etc), but it has improved on every other limitation I found.

So, yes, I have a high opinion of Ableton Live.

If you want me/the rest of the users to comment on specific areas of ableton live, just let us know.

Have fun!
You're making me want to go out and grab a copy of AL9. I'm really fascinated w/ the Push controller. I'm not sure how much use it'd get if I bought it but it looks like it could speed up my workflow by a lot from the videos out there.

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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 07:06:24 PM »
Yeah, push is great, so is the apc40. The Isotonik guys, if my memory serves me right, have shared a set of software for apc40 to emulate some of push's functionality. Havent tried it out yet.

If you know music, then you will definitely enjoy push's scales feature! I just play with the keyboard, but sounds good to learn new scales even ;)

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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 06:25:06 PM »
Yeah, push is great, so is the apc40. The Isotonik guys, if my memory serves me right, have shared a set of software for apc40 to emulate some of push's functionality. Havent tried it out yet.

If you know music, then you will definitely enjoy push's scales feature! I just play with the keyboard, but sounds good to learn new scales even ;)

cheers!

Yeah the push looks awesome. I know they have quite a big difference between them but I had similar expectations for the Maschine by Native Instruments, which now sits and collects dust in my basement. If I do decide to go w/ Ableton and Push then hopefully it turns out to complement my workflow more than the Maschine did.

Back to Nick's original question, I've been playing with Ableton a lot more lately at one of my clients studios and it has some really innovative features. You can beat box into a microphone and it will take the recording and turn it into midi information for whatever drums / instruments you want to play the loop. I've never seen something like that in a DAW, not sure if others do have it but it's a first for me.  Arrangement and automation is much easier now than in the earlier versions I've tried too.

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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 06:16:18 AM »
Regarding Live 9's harmony/melody/drums conversion process, here is a track that uses those features. I made so that my voice and the conversion are noticeable:

https://soundcloud.com/no-carrier/no-carrier-playing-with

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Regarding Maschine, I have a Maschine Mikro mk1, and I use it inside Live, using the Maschine VSTs, you have two versions: an "FX" one that you can put on a return channel, and the standard one which you drop as a track. I usually route the output to another audio track, where I record clips which I then use. Take into account that you can route audio into maschine from within live, and you can slice and play quite easily with it.
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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2013, 12:27:17 PM »
I have to echo NO CARRIER on this one!  Ableton is my DAW of choice.  I use it along with an APC40 and MASCHINE!  Nothing I have found, to date, compares to the ability to to record loops and trigger them on the fly to keep a creative idea going! The session view completely changed the way I approach writing music.  There's no way I could go back...

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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2013, 03:28:30 PM »
Go Live, Go! :D
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Re: Opinion on Ableton Live?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2015, 05:25:13 AM »
I love Ableton LIVE! I finally got to have my hands on it. It's perfect for beatmaking!